Response to: Shimr: Is he a Sunni Narrator?


The following is a response to SlaveOfAhlubait’s article entitled: “Shimr: Is he a Sunni Narrator?” The article can be found here.

In this narration, we find that SoA quote a narration from Abu Ishaq Al-Sabee’ee from Thi Al-Jawshan, the father of Shimr. Then, they provide quotes from scholars who suggest that this narration may have come from Shimr himself.

SoA has mistranslated the opinions of the Sunni scholars on more than one occasion in this article.

We will provide each text and the translation of SoA in red, then provide the correct translation beneath it:

قَالَ ابْنُ الْأَثِيرِ : قِيلَ : إِنَّ أَبَا إِسْحَاقَ لَمْ يَسْمَعْ مِنْهُ وَإِنَّمَا سَمِعَ حَدِيثَهُ مِنِ ابْنِهِ شَمِرِ بْنِ ذِي الْجَوْشَنِ عَنْهُ انْتَهَى 
so ibn atheer said that abu ishaq did not hear from him, but from his son shimr

Ibn Al-Atheer said: It is said that Aba Ishaaq didn’t hear it from him, but heard it from his son Shimr bin Thi Al-Jawshan.

قَالَ الْمُنْذِرِيُّ : ذُو الْجَوْشَنِ اسْمُهُ أَوْسٌ ، وَقِيلَ شُرَحْبِيلُ ، وَقِيلَ عُثْمَانُ ، وَسُمِّيَ ذَا الْجَوْشَنِ مِنْ أَجْلِ أَنَّ صَدْرَهُ كَانَ نَاتِئًا ، وَقِيلَ إِنَّ أَبَا إِسْحَاقَ لَمْ يَسْمَعْ مِنْهُ وَإِنَّمَا سَمِعَ مِنَ ابْنِهِ شَمِرٍ 
and munzari said that as well, that abu ishaq did not hear from him, and said that no doubt he hear from his son shimr

Al-Munthiri said: …It is said that Aba Ishaaq didn’t hear from him, but heard it from his son Shimr.

وَقَالَ أَبُو الْقَاسِمِ الْبَغَوِيُّ : وَلَا أَعْلَمُ لِذِي الْجَوْشَنِ غَيْرَ هَذَا الْحَدِيثِ وَيُقَالُ إِنَّ أَبَا إِسْحَاقَ سَمِعَهُ مِنْ شَمِرِ بْنِ ذِي الْجَوْشَنِ عَنْ أَبِيهِ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ 
and abu qasim baghwi said that as well that abu ishaq hear from shimr

Abu Qasim Al-Baghawi said: I do not know another hadith by Thi Al-Jawshan other than this one, and it is said that Aba Ishaaq heard from Shimr bin Thi Al-Jawshan from his father, and Allah knows best.

As we can see, especially with the example of Al-Munthiri’s statement, that SoA is deceptive with his translation, and is desperate to link Ahl Al-Sunnah with the killer of Al-Hussain.

This is absurd for several reasons, including that it is just one narration, out of the millions of narrations in the Sunni hadith library. Surely, one cannot associate a criminal with a sect due to one hadith, which is not even accepted as authentic?! Furthermore, it isn’t the whole Sunni school that narrated from Shimr, but rather, one man, Abu Ishaaq Al-Sabee’ee, who was, in fact, embarrassed, and didn’t want to even mention the man’s name.

From an objective hadithi perspective though, even Shias would not have any problems with narrating from Shimr, since they believe it is acceptable to narrate from kuffar.

Al-Khoei in Al-Mu’jam, about Al-Sajjadah, the cursed Shia narrator:

أقول: الرجل وإن وثقه علي بن إبراهيم، لوقوعه في اسناد تفسيره إلا أنه مع ذلك لا يمكن الاعتماد على رواياته لشهادة النجاشي بأن الأصحاب ضعفوه، وكذلك ضعفه ابن الغضائري.   نعم لو لم يكن في البين تضعيف، لأمكننا الحكم بوثاقته، مع فساد عقيدته، بل مع كفره أيضا

[I (Al-Khoei) say: The man, even with the claim of reliability by Ali bin Ibrahim, for being in a chain of his Tafseer, cannot be relied upon since Al-Najashi testified that the companions have weakened him, as well as Ibn Al-Ghada’iree. Yes, if there wasn’t a clear weakening, we could have accepted him as trustworthy, even with a corrupt ideology, not only that, but even with his Kufr.]

Of course, he didn’t say this out of thin air, but because the Shia in their books narrate from many extremists and deviants who are Kuffar and cursed according to their own Imams.

So As we can see here, the Shias have no qualms with accepting narrations from kuffar, as long as they are reliable in hadith.

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