Response to: Kill Mawia when you see him on Pulpit -2


The following is a response to SlaveOfAhlubait’s article entitled: Kill Mawia when you see him on Pulpit -2, which can be found here.

SoA doesn’t waste any time by quoting the narration `Abdullah ibn Mas`oud (ra):

we find in ansaab-ul-ashraaf, vol 5, page 137
حدثني إبراهيم بن العلاف البصري قال، سمعت سلاماً أبا المنذر يقول: قال عاصم بن بهدلة حدثني زر بن حبيش عن عبد الله بن مسعود قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : “إذا رأيتم معاوية بن أبي سفيان يخطب على المنبر فاضربوا عنقه

The chain here is Ibrahim from Salam from `Asim with his chain to ibn Mas`oud (ra).

SoA provides biographical information for each and every one of the narrations in the list. However, he does not provide any information about the most important source, the author of Ansab Al-Ashraf, Al-Baladhuri himself.

Akram Dhiya’a Al-Omari says in the intro of his Seerah 1/67 that: Hadith scholars see him in a weak light, for Ibn Hajar included him in his book for weak narrators (Lisan Al-Mizan).

al-Daraqutni in his commentary on al-Majrouheen of ibn Hibban says that even the narration of `Abbad from Shareek is incorrect, what is correct is that it was `Abbad bin Ya`qoub from al-Hakam bin al-Dhuhayr from `Asim.

And thus the author of this book al-Baladhuri is weak and so is his chain.

In addition, the author of al-Fawa’id al-Majmou`ah 1/323, quotes the scholar of Hadith al-`Uqayli saying:

لا يصح في هذا المتن شيء

[No chain for this text is authentic.]

Yet al-Baladhuri narrates it with an authentic chain to al-Hasan al-Basri as well, who himself gave Mu`awiyah (ra) Bay`ah!

we find in ansab-ul-ashraaf, 5/136
حدثنا يوسف بن موسى وأبو موسى إسحاق الفروي ، قالا : حدثنا جرير بن عبد الحميد ، حدثنا إسماعيل والأعمش ، عن الحسن ، قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : “إذا رأيتم معاوية على منبري فاقتلوه”، فتركوا أمره فلم يفلحوا ولم ينجحوا.

Which shows that this historian is copying suspicious odd chains into his book as a result of his weakness.

What is correct is what is found in Tareekh Baghdad, with an authentic chain to Ayyub al-Sakhtiyani, a man said to him that `Amro bin `Ubayd al-Tamimi narrates it from al-Hasan al-Basri, So Ayyub replied: “He lied on al-Hasan”. This `Amro is a liar, and it is confirmed from Ayyub who is one of the biggest scholars and students of al-Hasan, also al-Hasan’s Maraseel are very weak and this is Mursal.

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